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December 21, 1999, 07:59:05 AM
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« on: December 21, 1999, 07:59:05 AM »

  Here is a reposting of the John Dodge article from the Wall Street Journal Interactive Edition. Mr. Dodge had called and asked me why I was opposed to the Elance site. I was able to write a short response as to why. Important is this final comment that Mr. Dodge used,(Mr. Dubrowski may just be reacting to the new online market reality that illustrators and other service providers will have to figure out eventually. All of a sudden, he is confronted by new and very hungry competitors.)
Maybe all illustrators should think about this comment as we go into a new century and think about how and what we want to look forward to as illustrators in the coming years.


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    The idea behind e-services, described in my Dec.7 column, is beautiful for its simplicity and efficiency -- clients describe what they want and providers bid on the jobs. The process efficiently matches supply with
demand and everybody's happy, right? Wrong, says Ken Dubrowski, a Boston-based illustrator. He rails against such services as eLance.com (www.elance.com), which he claims pits illustrator against illustrator, driving fees down to ridiculously low levels.
"Mark [some of these sites] down as one of the worst ideas for professional illustrators to come along since illustration stock houses," he charges. Illustrations that would normally go for several thousand dollars are virtually given away, along with the illustrator's resale rights, for $50 or $100.
"Instead of rewarding the best artist for the job, the client can pick and choose from a group of bids, look at the portfolios and decide whom to choose from ... at well below market value." What's worse is that creative directors scope out prices and use them as bargaining chips with illustrators not listed on the site, according to Mr. Dubrowski.
 It's his belief that most illustrators on these sites are new to the field and are willing accept a fraction of the going rate to establish themselves. He urges illustrators to put together their own sites to market themselves rather than accepting cut-rate fees on sites such as eLance. "Online sites that allow artists total control on pricing and private negotiating exist already and are used by professional free-lancers," he adds.
    Mr. Dubrowski may just be reacting to the new online market reality that illustrators and other service providers will have to figure out eventually. All of a sudden, he is confronted by new and very hungry competitors.
ELance founder and Chief Executive Beerud Sheth downplays Mr. Dubrowksi's cutthroat characterization of the services site. "There's a lot of self-selection going on here. The [service providers] who respond to a $10,000 project are a different set of people than respond to a $100 project. We are not changing the law of life. You still get what you pay for."

         

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December 21, 1999, 08:01:56 AM
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 1999, 08:01:56 AM »
And here is the letter that was sent for anyone's information:
Hi John,
In response to your request here is a brief summary of my opposition to Elance.com. In a way, it is a lot like the illustration stock sites that were created seven years ago and now have a tremendous presence on the web and in sourcebooks. Many felt at the time that a company like the Stock Illustration Source(www.sisstock.com), was a good idea but only now they are feeling the ill effects of companies that offered a little extra money and a way to get their feet into the door. Many illustrators have seen work disappear as a company that was created as a secondary market came in and became the primary market by dumping low priced images on the market. Most illustrators like photographers before them have seen prices fall considerably.
One case I wanted to bring up about how ruthless these companies have become,  was on an artist art-talk web site (www.theispot.com) where one illustrator was talking about receiving low stock sales from the SIS company. This company’s chairman felt the need to post the entire sales figures of that artist for anyone and everyone to read. In effect he published one of his employees personal financial figures, and there was nothing that illustrator could do about it because of the strong financial backing this company has now accumulated. I will send you a printout of that particular story if you want or I can fax it.
Also I have no copy of the emails from the owner of Elance left on my computer, but in effect he removed my postings because he felt that I was competition and thus was  using his site to promote myself. I was able to get something on about pricing but nothing about going to the Graphics  Artists Guild (www.gag.org), my site to download that PDF file or to the Ispot site. My site has a PDF file that has an issue of The Illustrators News that can be downloaded for free.  
It is: http://www.tiac.net/users/kendub/front%20page/frontpage.html
In that issue is the story I just described as well as another issue about domain names being bought of famous illustrators and used by another web site www.stockart.com to bring clients to this site. I know there is nothing illegal but this is what is happening to freelancers and what we are now dealing with as technology makes it easier for anyone both good and bad to get a piece of the pie. Thus an inordinate number of small companies now offer services that they feel will/might help.
But  in my case illustrators are finding many carpetbaggers and few visionaries, with get rich quick schemes that are noble in ideas but not well thought out and are damaging in the long run.
 


(Here are my comments)

As new technology is created it brings along its share of good and bad. In the case of Elance.com, mark this down as one of the worst ideas for professional illustrators to come along since illustration stock-houses. Sold to free-lancers as a way to get work in front of clients without paying large up-front costs, in effect it is doing damage by using it’s members to low-ball each other in pricing work in order to "get the job". As with other ventures like a stock-house company that starts out with unproven promises of creating new markets, it destroys the primary markets and replaces it’s value as the new and current pricing structure.
At Elance price is the main focus and illustrators are enticed to bid against each other for assignment work. For example, a creative director presents a job and the members then bid on the job openly in Ebay-like style.  In most cases, the job goes to the lowest bidder and cost is the main feature in the decision process.  An artist’s portfolio is not used as the main focus to promote assignment work.  Instead, row upon row of bids and comments describing desperate artists willing to work for well-below market value can be read by anyone, at any time.
So, instead of rewarding the best artist for the job, the client can pick and choose from a group of bids, look at the portfolios and decide whom to choose from. In some cases they will not even assign the work if they feel there is no one on the site of value, but instead can now call other illustrators who are not on the site and use the lower fees to negotiate with.
    Many of the illustrators on the site seem to be new to the field and are just trying to get their foot into the door, but instead of exposure, they are being exploited. For instance a job was "rewarded" to an illustrator for the design and creation of a poster for $100.00 with the illustrator signing over all future rights and money the illustration will ever make. In effect, signing what is known in the industry as a work for hire contract, which gives the owner complete resale value of the illustration and even allows that image to be re-sold to a stock house, without the artist ever seeing a dime.  
    Why is this a big deal? Because besides taking advantage of freelancers, it is also driving down the value of illustration. The example above would have been negotiated for a minimum of $6,000.00 and the artist would still own the image. Instead, companies see these low prices, think that this is the current market value and use these prices as negotiating tools against artists.
There are better and less destructive ways for freelancers to show their work in this online site and others like it.
Putting up your own site and promoting it is the hardest but most successful way to getting your feet wet.  Learning about pricing from other freelancers and professionals will help stop the devaluing of work. Online sites that allow artists total control on pricing and private negotiating exist already and are used by more professional freelancers. Professional artist’s communities are around that help those starting out and teach artists how to negotiate assignments. Piggybacking or creating a group site with other artists is a less expensive alternative and as successful.
In the long run it is better for any freelancer to find sites that promote artists and their work and not a company who sells work cheaply.

         

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December 21, 1999, 09:37:03 AM
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 1999, 09:37:03 AM »
On 12/21/99 1:59:05 PM, Ken Dubrowski wrote:
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>Here is a reposting of the
>John Dodge article from the
>Wall Street Journal
>Interactive Edition.

You made me sick for Christmas, Ken.

I think it's time we started randomly posting small informative sites all over the Web that explain the rationale for good work at good rates and good rights education. Education is the only thing we can do to fight these wild fires.

I talked to a designer today, said he was thinking about getting out of the design/advertising aspect of being creative because clients have begun more and more to nickel & dime him to death and express little value for what he does. Clients submitting their own "Corel Draw" design solutions to him for him to finish or actually use and do handle the print production grunt work, and so on. The Wall Street Journal highlights E-lance, but did they feature the Illustration Conference at any length? Perhaps we should turn up the heat on WSJ and start pumping letters to them to reflect our side of the issue - create a stink and give them more to write about. Maybe the controversy is the way to break it as news worthy.

Grass roots level education written by the most articulate educators is seriously needed. A campaign to spread that word "for free" is so badly needed.

Joel         

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 1999, 10:33:19 AM »
Ken,

Thank you for reminding us all why this Art Talk forum is so important...

With admiration,
William low

http://www.williamlow.com

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 1999, 06:12:53 PM »
Great reply Ken. The founder of Getty images was Quoted as saying that 'Intellectual property is the "new oil" of the 21st century'. This quote to me has exploitation written all over it and seems to be the new trend that we are up against with todays "Dynamic" e-commerce. Merry Christmas.
-Neal

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December 22, 1999, 06:31:40 AM
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 1999, 06:31:40 AM »
On 12/22/00 11:49:25 AM, Robert Traver wrote:
>Why is my previous post dated
>Dec. 22, 2000?
>are we in Y2K already?
>

Geesh, that must've been one hell of a party - I don't recall a thing!


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December 22, 1999, 08:19:53 AM
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 1999, 08:19:53 AM »
Topic:
      Elance article in the Wall Street Journal (5 of 9), Read 40 times
 Conf:
      The Stock Exchange
 From:
      Robert Traver (number1spy@hotmail.com)
 Date:
      Friday, December 22, 2000 11:48 AM


All of this stuff makes me sick, I long for the days when
handcrafted art was appreciated and payed handsomely for,
not, "I need it NOW!, and you'll take what I pay you!"
But alas, I doubt this will ever go away, we will fight and fight,
but in reality it is a losing battle.

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